Things that would convince atheists and agnostics like me of the existence of God

I would like to see an angel recorded on tape… unedited. I’d like to see an angel recorded on live stream.

I would also like to see a miracle beyond scientific explanation, like an amputee growing an arm back. Or a person who lost both kidneys, grows new kidneys. Unfortunately, those two would only alter scientists’ understanding of human biology, unless everything was inconsistent. I’d like miracles recorded on video.

I would like to see God talking in a thunderstorm, Mufasa in the live action Lion King (sorry for the spoilers, WordPress doesn’t seem to provide a way to hide spoilers like Reddit does). I want everyone to hear it and wake up, so that they can tell about it as independent witnesses, and for it to be recorded on video, to prove that I’m not hallucinating.

I would like God to speak to me with physical sound so everybody around me can hear it.

I would like multiple people sharing the exact same dream, and meeting and talking to each other in that dream. Also mass death experiences (MDE), an extreme form of near death experience (NDE) and shared death experience (SDE).

I would also like to see the invisible hands of God type on a keyboard, and record it on camera for proof of evidence. The computer could also record God typing.

If Bruce Gerencser (brucegerencser.net) sees Jesus in the sky during the Rapture or Second Coming, they will say “OH! NOW I believe in him, now that I see him!” Even the STUBBORNEST of STUBBORNEST hearts will believe! Even the HARDEST of the HARDEST of hearts will be convinced!

Edit: I’d like it if an atheist was mind-blown and shocked by a vision that proved God, and startled to death! And repent as they die! Then no one will have any idea that they repented and believed and went to Heaven! Another scenario would be that an atheist sees a vision totally vivid, and doesn’t believe it, and thinking they are dreaming or hallucinating, they hit themselves really hard in an attempt to wake up, only to kill themselves!

I’d also like another battle on Mt. Carmel, but between Christians and Muslims. If Allah answers with fire, I and all other Christians will convert to Islam. But if Jahveh (as I call the Christian God) answers with fire, all Muslims will become Christians. They will just think about the logic “Allah would NEVER allow fire to hit the Christian altar!” I want it to be recorded on live stream. Will mainstream media censor it? What about Silicon Valley? Will the streaming be allowed in Saudi Arabia?

Anyone who is discovered with a hoax shall be put into JAIL! Maybe FORCE!!! a polygraph lie detector test on witnesses of miracles or testimonies of God to prove they are not making it up. I hope we develop mind-reading machines one day, as a more reliable alternative to polygraphs for use in court. Machines that can read into every thought and memory of a person.

Heaven will be spectacular

We will have godlike, cosmic powers!

We will be powerful and rich beyond out wildest dreams!

Our wealth will be equivalent to $101,000,000,000,000! 1 followed by a trillion 0s. Or rather, $infinity! (If only I could write the infinity symbol, a sideways 8, instead of the word “infinity”) Not just nominal value, but REAL value! Infinitely RICH! Except there will be no concept of money! Everything will be FREE! All software will be open source. No more copyright restrictions! Everyone can contribute!

We will have luxury far beyond the biggest billionaire!

People will work for FREE!

All bad memories will be erased! All memories will be erased of all suffering! We will have no idea anything bad ever happened! It will be exactly as if the fall of sin had not occurred, because that’s God’s ideal absolutely perfect world. We won’t be able to recall unpleasant memories even if we tried! Unpleasant memories won’t even be dormant! Even if we saw such flashbacks, we wouldn’t recognize them!

Hell will be invisible to us! The ones that went to hell – we won’t even have any idea they ever existed!

The word “sin” will NEVER be said! No one will EVER say the word “hell” or “death.”

Why Lucifer rebelled against God

So I did think about something more to write. I might write another post after this, if I can finalize it within two weeks.

Lucifer called all of God’s angels to join his rebellion against God. The 2/3 that refused to join went to warn God (Jahveh) about Lucifer’s threat to God’s reign. Lucifer and his followers charged God, but God’s power overwhelmed them, and they were cast out of Heaven down to Earth, and God’s reign was saved.

And God said to Michael “For saving my reign from the threat of Lucifer, you shall take his place as my chief angel.” And Michael does not dare rebel against God, since he learned the lesson from Lucifer’s fall.

Lucifer thought he could kick God off the throne. The way God appears on the throne, Lucifer thought it looked like something that could be knocked off. But God is 101,000,000,000,000 times as powerful as Lucifer – doesn’t Lucifer not know that? Wow! 1 followed by a trillion 0’s! That’s a gimongous number! Like Buddy the Elf said “these toilets are ginormous!” But with a portmanteau of gigantic and humongous instead of gigantic and enormous. Lucifer underestimated God’s power.

But Lucifer was a threat to God’s reign, and was kicked out to stop the threat of Lucifer. Why else would God cast Lucifer out of Heaven?

Lucifer fell on either his back or belly (we don’t know which) onto Earth, and Lucifer got up, furious, and sought revenge against God. But if only Lucifer and his followers repented after being cast out of Heaven, they would at least stay on Earth and not have to go to Hell.

On Earth, Lucifer heard God tell Adam “The fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil you shall not eat, for the day that you eat of it, you will surely die!” And Lucifer got an idea for revenge against God. An opportunity to manipulate Adam and Eve to eat the fruit, so he can ruin God’s creation. Like RJ in Over the Hedge gets an idea when the firefly sparks by, as when he hears Verne and his buddies say “what do we forage? Food!” Same thing for Lucy the Devil (my term for Lucifer/Satan) when he hears God’s warning to Adam “you will surely die.” Watch Over the Hedge to see what I mean.

Once the Devil and his helpers are in hell, they will be convinced to give up… convinced to surrender to God. The wicked in hell will be truly sorry that they ever rebelled against God, knowing the consequences of doing so. They think “If only I hadn’t rebelled against God.” They will believe the grass is greener in Heaven. MUCH greener! The Devil will say “I will do anything you say! Just have mercy on me!” But God says “You will break your promise do do whatever I say.”

Why young people leave the Church

This may be my last post for time being. I am running out of ideas. I will post more when I accumulate drafts, but it will be a Saturday you will not expect. Sounds like Matthew 24:44.

Bible vs. evolution

The majority of atheists admit they don’t want there to be a God. But don’t they want a God that will defeat evil and save them from death, not to mention put an end to COVID?

But those who love God often leave the Church because they deem Christianity to conflict with the established facts of science. They deem evolution to prove the Bible unrealiable, that if the Genesis account of Creation can’t be believed, no part of the Bible can be trusted. They insist that the “history” in the Bible is just corrupt oral tradition.

But young-Earth creationists insist that the Bible should take precedence over science and that evolution doesn’t prove the Bible unrealiable, it’s the other way around – the Bible proves science unreliable.

One verse used to support the idea that evidence for evolution was placed to test our faith in the Genesis account of creation, and that transistional forms were created as fossils and never lived. 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 is used to support that. Evolution may be the “strong delusion” referred to by that verse. The main problem is Hebrews 6:18 which says that God cannot lie, and atheists know it. Also, the “strong delusion” of 2 Thessalonians 2:11 more likely is alien deception. Evidence for evolution would more likely “false signs and wonders” of 2 Thessalonians 2:9. I wonder why 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 is not on talkorigins.org

Censorship could be to blame for atheism. Evidence for God may be censored because the atheistic liberals are afraid the information will convince or sway people of the reality of God.

Hatred for God

Some people leave the Church because they hate God, insisting “God wouldn’t forbid such a good thing.” They ask “What’s so wrong with X that God would hate it?” They think God falsely forbids certain things like magic practices. Some believe in God but wish he didn’t exist. They insist that God falsely declares people to deserve hell. It’s BECAUSE God hates the sins people love that the people hate God.

They even tell Jahveh or Allah “Give me an honest answer!” But in ALL-CAPS H1 with a bunch of exclamation points (!) after it, which I will not write because I know it would be obnoxious. Yelling on top of their lungs! When I say H1, I mean… well, just think of HTML tags.

I insist that if God loved the lusts of the flesh, or rather just loved what appeals to mankind, loves what’s attractive, and didn’t punish people for doing whatever they love, more people would love God, and overall people would love God more. But God insists in my head “Not necessarily!”

Can there be a revival?

I hope for the LGBTQ+ Community to suffer the same fate as the hippie culture of the late-60’s, and for a seventh Great Awakening to occur. I’m referring to the movie Jesus Revolution.

Many religions

There are exactly two groups of religion: Christian and non-Christian. Catholicism, Lutheranism, Calvinism, Anglicanism, and Eastern Orthodoxy as well as the Free Church belong to the Christian group, all other religions (including Islam, Buddhism, and Hinduism) belong to the non-Chrisitan group.

Evidence and belief

We can’t prove that God doesn’t exist. The existence of God is not testable. The existence or inexistence of God is beyond the realm of science. Neither can science disprove life after death, whether it be reincarnation or heaven.

If atheists see Jesus return in the rapture, you’d think they would say “Oh! Now I believe in him now that I see him.” But that’s not believing. That’s walking by sight.

Just because the none of the religion’s god’s are real doesn’t mean there is no God. It also doesn’t mean there is no life after death. I’m thinking of an abstract religion.

Reincarnation is fully compatible with evolution. And evolution is compatible with belief in God, just not with belief in the Christian god.

Lion Guard roar vs. real-life miracles

Many things about miracles in real life are different from the Road of the Elders in the Lion Guard.

Miracles are not something you can repeat. They are a one-time thing that happens when you need it. They are not something you master. Maybe God could entrust miraculous power to certain people as long as they don’t use it in a way that displeases God.

You can’t lose control of miracles, because they are under God’s control. That’s different from the Lion Guard, in which Kion has lost control of the roar at times.

You can’t use miraculous power for evil – God would not allow it. The Lion Guard establishes that Scar used the roar for evil and as punishment, lost the power of the roar completely and forever.

Have faith Christians, because miraculous power will be there when you need it, and so will God. And the miraculous power will ONLY be there when you need it, not whenever you want it.

Thoughts about love and sexuality in Heaven

Sorry I should have posted this three days earlier.


Copied from https://genderlovesexuality.wordpress.com/2021/10/22/my-thoughts-about-sexuality-and-marriage-in-heaven/, with some changes.

Matthew 22:30 and Luke 20:35-36 suggest that there will be no marriage in heaven. Some say that it only means no new marriages will be performed, like https://leewoof.org/2017/01/12/didnt-jesus-say-theres-no-marriage-in-heaven/. But the idea that existing marriages will continue but no new marriages will be performed, not only seems unfair for perpetual singles, but would defeat the point of Jesus’ response to ”who’s wife will she be?” because the Sadducees wouldn’t be in error of the woman still being married in heaven. The Sadducees didn’t ask about whether people would get married. Also, the Greek preposition for “in” suggests “in the resurrection” not at the resurrection event. And the verses are present tense, not future. It says “neither marry nor are given in marriage,” not “will neither marry nor be given in marriage.” The Greek word for “marry” is gameo and literally means take a wife. And the Greek for “given in marriage” is not a phrase, but a single word but I don’t remember what it is.

Edit: Lee Woofenden says that lifelong singles will be married in heaven, it’s Mormons that say that only those who get married on Earth will be married in Heaven. Still, the idea we just won’t “get married” in Heaven defeats the point of Jesus’ response, as I said above.

If there is no marriage in heaven, does that mean no sex? The Bible doesn’t specifically address whether there will be sex in heaven, but it’s doubtful considering there’s no marriage. Because God designed sexual intercourse for the marriage relationship.

Does that mean there will be no gender? Not necessarily. Gender is an important part of our identity. And Jesus was still male when resurrected, otherwise Mary would have mistaken him for a neuter. And when Old Testament prophets like Elijah were seen, they were not mistaken for neuter. But the Bible doesn’t mention anything about women in the afterlife or resurrection retaining their gender. Also, “male and female he created them” from Genesis 1:27. And Genesis 1:31 says that all that God saw was “very good.” Some use Galatians 3:28 to suggest that there is neither male nor female in heaven. But that verse refers to something that is already true right now.

You might have the same question as me: Marriage and sex is “very good.” Why would God take away something that was considered “very good?” Because God has a better idea. And no, this doesn’t mean that God made a mistake.

See also 1 Corinthians 15:42-44. Why did God make Adam and Eve flesh and blood and not create them with spiritual bodies? But look at the Greek context of those three versions. Our old bodies are not only limited by time and space and the laws of physics such as gravity, we are also weakened by sin and its temptations.

Marriage and sex have two purposes: The first is companionship. The second is procreation. As for companionship, God told Adam ”It is not good for man to be alone.” In heaven, companionship may not be necessary because we will be surrounded by a multitude of believers. Procreation may no longer be necessary because there is no death and the Church is complete.

But singles wonder: What about those that don’t get married? Or that get married at an older age and never get to experience the beauty of young marriage? Or get married but not have children? It doesn’t seem fair that some people get married and have children and some never will in eternity. To make matters seem worse, compare Genesis 2 verses 18 and 24, Genesis 3, and Matthew 22:30 – all three combine to make something unpleasant. To many young people it seems a something that was messed up by sin won’t be restored to its perfect form. Likely God’s original plan was for everyone to get married if the fall had not occurred. Well, I believe that in the New Heaven and New Earth, sexual desire will be fulfilled one way or another.

I believe guys and girls will appreciate each other, even better than on Earth. I believe guys will appreciate the beauty of the female, and women will appreciate the handsomeness of men. Appreciate their opposites. That’s the way God made us.

What would have happened had Adam and Eve not sinned? Would the world have been transformed? The Bible is silent. God probably originally created the Earth with a plan on improving on it later. For example, there was not a helper suitable for Adam.

God’s not arbitrarily taking anything but rather expanding it. Marriage is a metaphor for the relationship between Christ and the Church. Ephesians 5:32. Once we have the reality, the metaphor won’t be needed. Think about having a model airplane as a child and then flying a real airplane. Also think about a teaser trailer vs. the actual movie. C.S. Lewis’ thing about chocolate was a poor comparison. Just because you have sex doesn’t mean you abandon chocolate. An comparison that is tech-related is Windows 10 Home to Windows 10 Pro, and the older Windows 7 Home Basic to Windows 7 Professional and Ultimate. Or Windows Server 2016 Essentials to 2016 Standard or Datacenter. Or Office Home & Student to Office Professional. Or even Zoom vs. Teamviewer. My recommendations and ideas about tech are in one of my other blogs, https://itrecommendationsandideas.wordpress.com/, but that’s a whole different story. Putting tech-related things aside, babies need milk as an infant. When they grow up, the eat solid and semisolid food and drink various beverages, which is even more gratifying. Then milk is no longer necessary. Also, mud pies in a slum vs. a party at the sea or at Buckingham palace. Also, marriage and sex are more like an appetizer, whereas heaven will be the actual meal.

See also Joel 2:25-32 for yourself. Does it mean that God will restore to us the romance that the locusts have eaten? Or is that adding to it? Will there be intermediate compensation time/world (aion)? That doesn’t seem Biblically founded, but I’m talking about the String Theory, 10 dimensions, and Hugh Ross the founder of progressive creationism, even though as far as I’m aware, Hugh Ross didn’t preach or write about marriage and sex in heaven. Extra dimensions may be the answer to the clash between the Bible and modern science, but that’s another story.

Another thing that men may be thinking is that Jesus is male and men want a female for a partner. You know how men appreciate their opposites? They love women for being a complement. But people are not individually married to Christ. They are married as one body. Christ has only one bride, the Church. Another thing you may be thinking is that marriage is supposed to be horizontal, not vertical, and the relationship between Christ and the Church is vertical. So why couldn’t men be household heads anymore? Good question. I don’t know the answer to that.

And, marriages won’t be simply discarded. They will be fulfilled.

Will there be hugs and kisses? Yes, for sure. They may not be romantic or sexual. Will there be French kissing in heaven? The Bible doesn’t say, but it’s very doubtful considering there’s no marriage. Some couples including many Christian couples don’t even bother with open-mouth tongue kissing, even if married. But I’m pretty sure guys and girls will share short, small kisses on the mouths. Perhaps girls will plant kisses on guys’ cheeks, I don’t see anything wrong with that. Kissing on the mouth is not just between husband and wife as long as it’s short, small, and light. On Earth, many mothers give their prepubescent sons and daughters small kisses on the mouth, like one or two in a session. And uncles can do the same with their little nieces. But not beyond that. Passionate kissing is only for married couples. Marriage is not the only intimate relationship on Earth, but it is the closest on Earth. It seems weird that guys would just kiss any other guy, even more weirdly on the mouth. I still believe opposite-gender relationships will differ from same-sex relationships. Will we have soulmates in heaven? The Bible doesn’t say, but the Evangelical Christian consensus is that there will not be. Will women live together with men? Probably. Will women sleep with men on the same bed, literally speaking, not sexual activity? Seems doubtful, but I wonder why God would make such a good thing absent. If men can sleep together, why couldn’t a man sleep with a woman? Could men and women, as part of the Church share threesomes with the Lamb? They’d still be one bride.

Kissing between the same gender seems bland, especially when it’s between two men. Kissing between opposite gender, especially guy to girl on the mouth or girl to guy on the cheek, is more filling. Gay=dull.

I believe there will still be the trifold HHK – Holding hands, hugging, kissing, maybe the trifold could be called either XOH or HXO (XO with the addition of H for hugging).

Sexual passion is not sinful. It doesn’t inherently involve inappropriate fantasies. Adam and Eve presumably experienced sexual passion before the fall. God made us sexual beings. Matthew 22:30 says we will be like the angels. It doesn’t say we will be angels. We will be with angels, and that will be even better.

Will there be special relationships in heaven, considering there are special rewards and each person is unique? I’m sure we will have different tastes and each interpersonal relationship will be different depending on the two people.

Special relationships wouldn’t have to be romantic or sexual. Marriage is not the only special relationship. It could be like family.

Also, the culture before Jesus had a negative attitude towards women. But Jesus had intimate, non sexual, brotherly/sisterly friendships with women, like Mary Magdelene on Jesus’ feet. Jesus did things countercultural.

I believe heaven will be romantic… in a positive way. ”How romantic!”

Maybe sex isn’t what people are looking for. When they think they are looking for sex, they don’t know what they are actually looking for. What they have been really looking for the whole time, they won’t get until Heaven.

How could we not be heterosexual in heaven? Being gay or lesbian is determined in-utero, and is not a choice. As Rather, gay is part of men’s fallen nature, and lesbian is part of women’s fallen nature. Gay men and lesbian women have their homosexuality as a curse of sin, but they will lose their homosexuality in the afterlife and resurrection Homosexuality will be eliminated in heaven, but heterosexuality? Isn’t heterosexuality part of our character, who we are? Those who are born gay will become heterosexual (otherwise asexual) in the resurrection if they come to Christ. If the fall of sin hadn’t occurred, homosexuality wouldn’t exist. No one would be gay.

The Seventh Commandment says ”thou shalt not commit adultery.” Adultery means a married person having sexual relations with someone they’re not married to, or a person having sex with someone that’s already married. For whatever reason, nowhere does the Bible specifically say ”thou shalt not have sexual relations with anyone that thou art not married to.” And ”sex aktos gamou” (σεξ εκτός γάμου) and ”progamiaíes schéseis” are nowhere used in the New Testament. But look at 1 Corinthians 7:1 as well as Genesis 2:24. Marriage was already instituted before the fall.

Our relationships will be enhanced not diminished. Physical, emotional, intellectual, and spiritual – all four will be enhanced. Those are the four buckets of intimacy. Sexual intimacy is not a fifth.

Isaiah 65:17-25 is sometimes used to suggest that there will be children born in heaven, but the Christian consensus is that it describes the Millenium because its descriptions seem to fit the Millenium better than the Eternal Kingdom, even though it specifically says ”New Heaven and New Earth.” I don’t know what the Hebrew words are or that they mean the same as what’s talked about in Revelation 21:1. But I figured that the Isaiah verse series may be switching context from New Heaven and New Earth to the Millennium.

Maybe eros will be merged with agape. There’s a Greek word philostorge which is a merge of philos and storge. No reason to think that it won’t be in heaven. Maybe in heaven there will be eragape or agaperos or erotagape, a merge of eros and agape. Then maybe the four loves will be merged into two loves. Everything about eros is good except the selfishness and animal drive. Agape seems more dull, but it is sacrificial love, but it’s not passion or indulgence. Not sure about merging of loves though. Either there will be erotagape and philostorge, or perhaps there will be a fifth type of love, quintessential love, but agape will still be the best. There are familial relationships and romantic relationships and freindships on Earth, those are three types, maybe there will be a new type in the Resurrection life, a quintessential relationship.

Recommended resources: Heaven by Randy Alcorn, https://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/will-there-be-marriage-and-sex-in-heaven/https://peterkreeft.com/topics/sex-in-heaven.htm, Tough Topics by Sam Storms, https://www.covenanteyes.com/2019/04/01/why-there-is-no-sex-in-heaven/ (read the comments as well), https://www.focusonthefamily.ca/content/why-is-there-no-marriage-in-heaven (read the comments too), https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/how-could-heaven-not-have-sex, Better than Eden by Nancy Guthrie, and https://precepts.wordpress.com/2007/12/23/marriage-in-the-afterlife/. Don’t rely on what Mormons (Latter Day Saints) say, and don’t trust Swedenborg! My favorite article by Lee Woofenden is https://leewoof.org/christian-beliefs-that-the-bible-doesnt-teach/ which is very inciting (or inciteful). But that’s a Swedenborgian site. Look at the comments to those posts as well. Lee Woofenden may just be a false teacher.